Post by Dr.Weismann on Nov 17, 2014 19:53:02 GMT 3
Calvinist Creed On Determinism: To Be (Determined) or [and] Not To be (Determined)
We believe that ALL things are determined whatsoever comes to pass, except for those things that we don't think are determined. Some men are determined to remain in their sin, but they can choose not to sin if they want to, but they won't want to because they can't. Although their nature was determined so that they can't do anything but sin, God did not determine their sin, but yet ALL things are still determined, and yet not determined.
So even though God may have pushed you off of a cliff, He is not responsible for the fall that breaks your neck. That would be a secondary cause. Even though the secondary cause was rooted in the primary cause of you being shoved off the cliff, and the secondary cause could not have happened without the primary cause, the secondary cause was not determined, even though the primary cause was determined. So even though the Old Testament law would hold someone like Haman accountable for provoking someone else to commit murder thereby eliminating the secondary causation excuse, God can determine a person's nature to do nothing but sin and reject Him and deprive him of any ability or choices to seek, or understand God, but you are ultimately accountable for doing what you can not do otherwise.
So to conclude this creed, we believe that all things are determined accept for the things that if we admit they were determined would cause the appearance of our theology to suffer embarrassment. We will argue that all things are determined when it comes to depriving you of your will, but will capitulate when explaining your accountability and responsibility.
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One has to be an atheist, a drug addict, or a deranged sycophant to swallow this compatibilistic crapola. The sinner who is determined to be in his sin is actually more loyal to God than most saved people. The sinner does exactly what God wants him to do ALL of the time. The sinner doomed to his devices is always obedient to God. So in the end, the sinner gets punished for doing exactly what God wants him to do, while the saint gets rewarded in spite of his backsliding and failure to live a less than perfectly obedient life.
We believe that ALL things are determined whatsoever comes to pass, except for those things that we don't think are determined. Some men are determined to remain in their sin, but they can choose not to sin if they want to, but they won't want to because they can't. Although their nature was determined so that they can't do anything but sin, God did not determine their sin, but yet ALL things are still determined, and yet not determined.
So even though God may have pushed you off of a cliff, He is not responsible for the fall that breaks your neck. That would be a secondary cause. Even though the secondary cause was rooted in the primary cause of you being shoved off the cliff, and the secondary cause could not have happened without the primary cause, the secondary cause was not determined, even though the primary cause was determined. So even though the Old Testament law would hold someone like Haman accountable for provoking someone else to commit murder thereby eliminating the secondary causation excuse, God can determine a person's nature to do nothing but sin and reject Him and deprive him of any ability or choices to seek, or understand God, but you are ultimately accountable for doing what you can not do otherwise.
So to conclude this creed, we believe that all things are determined accept for the things that if we admit they were determined would cause the appearance of our theology to suffer embarrassment. We will argue that all things are determined when it comes to depriving you of your will, but will capitulate when explaining your accountability and responsibility.
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One has to be an atheist, a drug addict, or a deranged sycophant to swallow this compatibilistic crapola. The sinner who is determined to be in his sin is actually more loyal to God than most saved people. The sinner does exactly what God wants him to do ALL of the time. The sinner doomed to his devices is always obedient to God. So in the end, the sinner gets punished for doing exactly what God wants him to do, while the saint gets rewarded in spite of his backsliding and failure to live a less than perfectly obedient life.